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Poll: LOST IN NECROPOLIS!
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Invasion (1980)
0%
0 0%
Mark of the Beast (1981)
6.67%
1 6.67%
Metal (1982)
0%
0 0%
Crystal Logic (1983)
46.67%
7 46.67%
Open the Gates (1984)
26.67%
4 26.67%
The Deluge (1986)
20.00%
3 20.00%
Mystification (1987)
0%
0 0%
Out of the Abyss (1988)
0%
0 0%
The Courts of Chaos (1990)
0%
0 0%
Other (specify)
0%
0 0%
Total 15 vote(s) 100%
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Manilla Road / Hellwell (US)
#1
Any other Manilla Road fans here? They are easily one of, if not my absolute, favorite bands. In my opinion, THE greatest traditional heavy metal band of all time (yes, I even put them a step above the undeniable classics, Sabbath, Priest, and Maiden). They have all the makings of a great band, good musicians and amazing songwriters, a unique sound all their own... they were prolific enough to record a whopping 7 albums in the 80's alone (matched only by Iron Maiden to my knowledge), and now match the discographies of some of metal's longest active bands. They also streamlined, if not invented, the epic metal genre (many bands combined the elements, but Manilla Road was really the first to put them all together). They are one of those bands that has evolved and done something different with each new recording.

Any other big or longtime fans here? What are your favorite albums, or time periods of Manilla Road's discography? What are your favorite songs?

For me, I'd say their classic period took place after the generally most famous album, Crystal Logic. I love Crystal Logic, but I think their masterpieces were Open The Gates, The Deluge, and Mystification. At the same time you really can't go wrong with anything they've done. They've had weak moments here and there, but for the most part they are an incredibly consistent band.

I could probably fill a "Best Of" comp with all my choice favorites from Manilla Road, and still run out of room for all of them, but here are just a few:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9IBkUVd80Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIC04zoSR9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwRJUTF8Se0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQ67whM_ZE
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#2
Manilla Road has lots of good stuff. I'm glad Shadow Kingdom Records finally reissued Mystification, which has been missing from my collection.

I agree with you on Crystal Logic being overrated, but it certainly isn't awful. "Necropolis" is a very catchy song.

Anyway, my favorite is currently a tie between Open the Gates and The Deluge. They've improved drastically on these two.
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#3
Manilla Road has probably given the best show I have ever been too, in 2012 here in Athens. They played for like 3 hours straight. Excellent setlist, amazing performance. Also Mark Shelton is one of the most humble, most down-to-earth band member I have ever had the honour of meeting. An example to everyone.
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(04-18-2014, 12:52 AM)Alice Domine Wrote: Manilla Road has probably given the best show I have ever been too, in 2012 here in Athens. They played for like 3 hours straight. Excellent setlist, amazing performance. Also Mark Shelton is one of the most humble, most down-to-earth band member I have ever had the honour of meeting. An example to everyone.

I felt exactly the same way when I saw them, although the set list was definitely shorter (still an amazing selection though).

I'm seriously considering travelling to Greece next year for Up The Hammers, since they are planning to do a set with Randy Foxe on drums, plus the rest of the lineup looks totally killer.
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#5
I am very jealous, I never got to see them.. I love Manilla Road, probably the most intelligent music known to man. They have a feeling so many bands lack. I did not enjoy Mysterium, I think it was a downgrade but... the classics are all over the place. I got Crystal Logic picture disc sitting on my kitchen wall, it's really beautiful. Smile
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#6
(04-18-2014, 08:49 AM)Messiah X Wrote: I'm seriously considering travelling to Greece next year for Up The Hammers, since they are planning to do a set with Randy Foxe on drums, plus the rest of the lineup looks totally killer.
No other drummer that I've heard playing for Manilla Road could ever top Randy Foxe, a talented musician who literally "opened the gates" for the band.
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#7
Randy is definitely their best drummer (though all the others have been competent). Manilla Road has always had a revolving door of talented musicians with Mark leading from the front at all times. Kind of makes you wonder where he finds all these people in the middle of Kansas
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(06-25-2014, 01:35 PM)Messiah X Wrote: Randy is definitely their best drummer (though all the others have been competent). Manilla Road has always had a revolving door of talented musicians with Mark leading from the front at all times. Kind of makes you wonder where he finds all these people in the middle of Kansas
I also like the other drummers before and after him; the main difference is that Randy Foxe REALLY stepped things up for the band, and the holy trinity of Open the Gates, The Deluge, and Mystification will forever be preserved by this musical bond between him and the other two.

Drummers are often overlooked in metal, but I think that a talented drummer can only bring in more dynamics to the songwriting department. Guitarists are so used to the simple rock beats, so bringing in a drummer capable of breaking out of that mold can make the music sound more unique.

For example, I don't think Warlord would have been as great as they are with some other drummer than Mark Zonder, whose odd timing complemented the riff complexities that William J. Tsamis came up with.
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#9
What is the consensus on the new stuff? Atlantis Rising - Mysterium.

If I had to rate them I'd say: Spiral Castle/Gates of Fire/Playground/Voyager/Mysterium/Atlantis Rising

Mysterium was a bit of a let down for me and it made me appreciate Playground of the Damned much more than when it first came out (even with the questionable production). Mysterium sounds basically like 3-4 of the same riffs being recycled in each song; too simple an approach for an MR album. I believe they are currently working on a new one as well.
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#10
My rating of the newer albums: Gates of Fire, Voyager, Spiral Castle, Mysterium, Atlantis Rising, Playground of the Damned. To be fair, I rank Gates, Voyager, and Spiral Castle in that order, and the rest are fairly equal. I like all of them a lot. With that said, Mysterium is a much mellower album but still deeply atmospheric despite its simplicity. Playground is more complex but also brings back some of the elements I didn't much care for that were present on Courts of Chaos. Atlantis Rising is good, just not as memorable as the others. Of all the new albums, Gates of Fire is the only one I find to be on par with the classic era.
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#11
(06-25-2014, 06:03 PM)Messiah X Wrote: Gates of Fire is the only one I find to be on par with the classic era.


I completely agree with you here. A great work all around.
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#12
Came across this video:


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#13
My copy for The Courts of Chaos arrived, and I'm enjoying it! On this release, Manilla Road sounds a lot harder than previously, although the instrumental opener drags on for too long. "Dig Me No Grave" is such a cool song, though.
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(06-26-2014, 07:11 PM)Painkiller Wrote: Came across this video:



Mike Gross! Mike is a really cool dude, dead ringer for my friend Mario Nanni. I'll have to check this video out.
"I saw Kirk Hammet pick up Tiny Tim's ukulele and play some Metallica solos...sounded JUST like the record..."

"If you listen to BM, but you don’t know what phase the moon is in, or what wild flowers are blooming then you have failed. It is shocking to me that one could be seriously interested in Black Metal and not be deeply committed to radical ecology."

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#15
Big fan of them! With their best records ever Open the Gates. Great melodies, strange rythms and marvellous feeling! The same for The Deluge and Mystification! Not a big fan of Out of the Abyss and Courts of Choas tho. Besides that I can totally find myself in the comment on Crystal Logic. I would rate it with an eight of of ten, but cn't say it's a classic because it had some fillers and missers on it. I think if they posponed the release with a year and worked a bit more on the material it would be an instant classic. Gives me the feeling, they weren't really sure what direction they wanted to go.

From the 2nd era Manilla Road I vote for Spiral Castle as their best. Great record, great feeling and melodies. Atlantis Rising is a bit too Heavy at some times and he looses himselfs in the riffing. The same for Gates of Fire although it's overal a better record than Atlantis Rising. I thought Voyager was pretty good, till I let the record rest for like a month of two. It's pretty weak when all the euforia off a new record is gone. Didn't like Playground of the Damned and haven't checked Mysterium yet.

So my ranking will be:
Open the Gates
The Deluge
Spiral Castle
Mystification

Best songs: The Ninth Wave and Venusian Sea.
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#16
I pretty much agree with most of what you've said, but I still haven't gotten around to hearing any of their post-The Courts of Chaos releases yet. My next Manilla Road score will definitely be Spiral Castle.

I think The Deluge is Manilla Road's finest hour, but it's just a SLIGHT bump over Open the Gates. Mystification comes third, of course. I must admit that Crystal Logic has grown on me more, but I still think that it's a bit overrated.
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#17
I think Out of the Abyss is one of their best actually. It has some of their thrashier material which is a turn off to many fans, and unfortunately opens with a weaker track. But the good songs on here are some of the best, and possibly some of Mark Shelton's greatest vocal performances on any record. See especially: Rites of Blood, Return of the Old Ones, War in Heaven, and Helicon.
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#18
(08-12-2014, 10:12 AM)Messiah X Wrote: I think Out of the Abyss is one of their best actually. It has some of their thrashier material which is a turn off to many fans, and unfortunately opens with a weaker track. But the good songs on here are some of the best, and possibly some of Mark Shelton's greatest vocal performances on any record. See especially: Rites of Blood, Return of the Old Ones, War in Heaven, and Helicon.

I've really been digging Out of the Abyss recently. It's on par with the quality of Mystification I think. Helicon is excellent.
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#19
Any news on a possible Out of the Abyss reissue? It looks like Shadow Kingdom Records is working really hard at getting as much of the Manilla Road catalog as possible.
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#20
CD you mean? I was pretty sure SKR was doing all of them. Vinyl is already out on HRR with updated artwork. You can sometimes get the original CD off eBay if you're lucky/patient
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#21
For the time being, I want to keep my Manilla Road album collection consistently CD-only.
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#22
Not sure if they are doing a full tour but Manilla Road is playing near Baltimore on November 21st. Ticket purchased.

Edit: Looks like they are doing Chicago, and two Brooklyn dates as well around the same time.
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#23
There supposedly is a US tour planned, but not all the dates are confirmed so they're releasing them as they go. I'm hoping for an LA date to come through, supposedly there is/was one in the works.
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#24
Manilla Road put on a great show on Friday night in Baltimore. Set selection was fairly similar to what they played at MDF a few years back but with some more songs added. The sound at the venue wasn't great but it did get better as the night went on. Crystal Logic stole the night for me personally. I recorded a video or two...I'll try to get them up later.
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#25
I only have the three albums, Crystal Logic, The Deluge, and Mystification. I just discovered them a couple years ago from the King Diamond website, and I was blown away that I had never heard of this band before, because the albums I have heard are right up my ally. I need to get off my dead ass and get the rest of their catalogue as soon as I can, because I love the music.

Anyone here have the Hellwell album with Mark Shelton in it, Beyond the Boundaries of Sin? It's really good also, some of it was a bit slow or drab, but overall I felt it was a really good album. I guess the only real complaint I had about it is he doesn't seem to change his tone from song to song at all through the whole album. Not sure if it was just the production, or the way he does things now, but something just didn't sound like the same singer to me from the Manilla Road albums I have.

Still worth getting if you're a Manilla Road fan, at least IMO it is! Hand
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(12-04-2014, 07:05 PM)Wrecked Neck Wrote: I only have the three albums, Crystal Logic, The Deluge, and Mystification. I just discovered them a couple years ago from the King Diamond website, and I was blown away that I had never heard of this band before, because the albums I have heard are right up my ally. I need to get off my dead ass and get the rest of their catalogue as soon as I can, because I love the music.

Anyone here have the Hellwell album with Mark Shelton in it, Beyond the Boundaries of Sin? It's really good also, some of it was a bit slow or drab, but overall I felt it was a really good album. I guess the only real complaint I had about it is he doesn't seem to change his tone from song to song at all through the whole album. Not sure if it was just the production, or the way he does things now, but something just didn't sound like the same singer to me from the Manilla Road albums I have.

Still worth getting if you're a Manilla Road fan, at least IMO it is! Hand

That is because it is indeed a different singer. Mark injured his voice during the recording sessions for Out of the Abyss I believe. The "reunion" albums (Atlantis Rising onward, including the Hellwell album) feature Byran "Hellroadie" Patrick doing the vocals along with Mark. The more recent albums are more exclusively Hellroadie and will likely continue to be. Supposedly Spiral Castle and Voyager are all Mark but I've read various comments suggesting otherwise.

The Hellwell albums is just OK for me. Track one is a ripper and it does get better with repeated listens but I'm not sure how much long term replay value there is. Of the more recent records Gates of Fire would be my pick.
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#27
(08-16-2014, 04:09 PM)Painkiller Wrote: Any news on a possible Out of the Abyss reissue? It looks like Shadow Kingdom Records is working really hard at getting as much of the Manilla Road catalog as possible.

Guess what !Wink
http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/read_news...-l-en.html
Quote:Shadow Kingdom Records will reissue Out of The Abyss, the Seventh full-length release from Wichita, KS' Manilla Road on January 13, 2015.

Originally released in 1988, Out of The Abyss is an under-appreciated gem, one that guitarist/founder Mark "The Shark" Shelton describes in the reissue's liner notes as containing "some of the most Brutal material that MR HASEver done. Shelton goes on to say that "it was the last album in an epic quest by Randy, Scott and I to be as fast and furious as possible with some of the songs...and most of the topics were quite dark and based on Cthulhun Mythos or other horror and Mystery directions."

Shadow Kingdom Records' Tim McGrogan had this to say about Out of the Abyss:

"Most fans think the golden era is Crystal Logic through Mystification, but we encourage fans to spend more time with this album. The first thing that's interesting about this album is that it originally contained one of Manilla Road greatest Epic songs Ever, "The Book of Skelos." The song was dropped off of the album for some unknown reason (that would be a good interview question for Mark Shelton), and later appeared on a different pressing of The Courts of Chaos and we're not entirely sure that song even made it to the first pressing of that album either. Strangely enough if you're familiar with that song and can imagine that song being a part of this album, Out of The Abyss would arguably be one of the best MANILLA Road albums and would have expanded and been part of what's now considered their classic era. The album is dark, Evil, thrash-y heavy Metal with some Killer King DIAMOND-esque vocal screams. Without a doubt Out of The Abyss HAS some of the fastest, most Intense Thrash Metal not only on any Manilla Road album, but of any 80's Thrash Metal album."

Out of The Abyss will appeal to fans Slayer, Metallica, IRON MAIDEN, and MERCYFUL FATE.
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#28
I'm looking forward to getting it. One of the last releases during their creative peak.
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#29
The Blessed Curse will be out in February 2015.

Paolo Girardi's art is stunning!
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#30
Not holding out much hope for this one. The last few albums have been getting more and more repetitive and Mark is singing less and less. I think Mysterium made me appreciate Playground of the Damned a lot more. Will purchase for sure, but i'm not really sure what to expect.
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#31
What is the deal with the 2CD release of the new album? I hope it isn't that length of new material
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#32
Samples of the album may now be heard.

Sounds a lot like the thrashier stuff that they put out in the late 1980s.
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#33
I listened a few days ago, sounds okay. best to wait for the release.

(12-19-2014, 06:59 PM)Phantasm Wrote: What is the deal with the 2CD release of the new album? I hope it isn't that length of new material

I dunno, I think maybe bonus songs? All Hallows Eve has 1981 and 2014 versions so I hope all the main songs stay on 1 disk
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#34
The concept of "less is more" should be taken to heart by some bands. I don't care who it is. (Priest, Maiden, Sabbath, Manilla, etc).
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#35
Heard Crystal Logic the other day.

Not gonna lie, I don't really like the guy's voice. Its a shame cos the music is brilliant!
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#36
Does anyone have the Crystal Logic deluxe 2CD? I'm curious about the bonus material
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#37
Don't really seems to be worth spending money on. Got some useless live versions, some alternate mixes (really the aren't the released version for no reason). Besides most of those songs got a really good release on the Mark of the Beast record. Great stuff and sound quality! I recommend to get that one Wink.

Anybody already heared the teaser for the new record? I am for one time really excited about the new record. Never thought I'll be.. Cool
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(01-18-2015, 07:18 PM)Faber Wrote: Anybody already heared the teaser for the new record? I am for one time really excited about the new record. Never thought I'll be.. Cool
I already posted a link to the samples a few posts above. There are a lot of great reissues coming out this year that demand my main attention, so if money permits, I'll get the new Manilla Road album. I haven't properly heard Mysterium, but I'm sure that this one will probably be better.
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#39
How are people procuring copies of the new CD? I preordered mine from Amazon cause I figured I might as well utilize my Amazon Prime account's shipping benefits. I guess they aren't officially on SKR anymore (Kinda happy about that), but i'm sure SKR is doing US distribution.
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#40
Like said, I will wait before it comes out. I am a little disappointed in the samples sofar, maybe I will regret it once I hear the album 100 percent
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#41
I am not much a fan of Manilla Road in later years, after Courts of Chaos they stopped making great albums. Crystal Logic is as good as it gets for me. No disrespect, my opinion that is all!
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#42
Opinions aren't disrespectful.

I personally think that they matured and improved after Crystal Logic, and their best period was between Open The Gates and Mystification, although I still like Crystal Logic as well. A lot of people don't like the new stuff, but I think it's great. Manilla Road is one of the only bands that I think is truly consistent in their greatness.
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#43
I'm waiting till High Roller Records releases a vinyl version. Always top-notch releases.
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#44
Any thoughts on the new album?

I got my copy yesterday. So far i've only gotten through disc one. I was pleasantly surprised: I think it is better than Mysterium at first pass. There just seems to be more heart on this one. I liked the 1:1, Mark:Hellroadie trade off until the end of the album just become a slew of Hellroadie songs until the final track. The production values seems to have suffered a bit compared to the last effort; the vocals seem low in the mix. Just something kind of awkward about the overall sound. Will post more thoughts after get I get through the second disc tonight.

Also: was surprised to see myself in the booklet. There is a picture of Mark on stage at MDF from a few years back and I'm off in the background of the photo. A weird moment when I realized that was in there.
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#45
It appears that they've found their unreleased demo from 1979. The proof is in this video.
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#46
I can't say that After Midnight Live was that interesting. This looks like it would be along those same lines.
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#47
Well that is cool, I also wanna hear it 'specially Manilla Road (song).
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#48
(03-10-2015, 08:25 AM)Phantasm Wrote: Any thoughts on the new album?

I got my copy yesterday. So far i've only gotten through disc one. I was pleasantly surprised: I think it is better than Mysterium at first pass. There just seems to be more heart on this one. I liked the 1:1, Mark:Hellroadie trade off until the end of the album just become a slew of Hellroadie songs until the final track. The production values seems to have suffered a bit compared to the last effort; the vocals seem low in the mix. Just something kind of awkward about the overall sound. Will post more thoughts after get I get through the second disc tonight.

Also: was surprised to see myself in the booklet. There is a picture of Mark on stage at MDF from a few years back and I'm off in the background of the photo. A weird moment when I realized that was in there.

I really enjoyed the new album. There will never be a full return to classic era form, but this is easily their best since Gates of Fire, an album I really like. I could see myself putting The Blessed Curse on instead of one of the classics when I'm in the mood for a more subtle and atmospheric album. The second disc is a bit of a mixed bag for me. I like it, but it is very soft, even for Manilla Road. It's almost like they put all their ballads on a bonus disc, but then some of these are not ballads. I still like it, but most likely disc 1 will be getting a lot more play. Best tracks overal for mel: The Blessed Curse, Luxiferia's Light, Tomes of Clay.
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#49
This band is disgusting. They dare to equate the true story of Jesus Christ to MYTHOLOGY? That in itself is a blasphemous one-way ticket to Hell unless you ask Jesus for forgiveness!
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#50
This band is true deceptive evil. They fashion themselves as lords of light. Well there's only one Lord of Light and that is Jesus Christ. These false idols write songs that would lead people to believe that their music is not evil or Satanic. They even claim to "deny Belial." Well, let me tell you something. Denying the devil doesn't make him go away. He is a great deceiver, and would want nothing more than for people to believe listening to heavy metal does not bring eternal damnation. But it does.
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